they are trying as i understand to make some changes inside the system, but it is very difficult. the criminal system in america is as it is. rapid human rights abuse. we as a society, even if we don't believe it, we passively accept the idea at least that the moment you crop us threshold that your rights are suspended. it's ironic in a jail sunny where you are being held for trial. innocent until proven guilty? they're violating your human rights on a date today basis. sexual assault, medical deprivation which can be deadly. if you have medication and your incarcerated that you need to live and survive and it's been denied to, that's a problem. we found all of these things when we did that report. i'm glad we're able to shed light on it but i know it will

take more work i will take commitment of us collectively to come to a place where we understand the value of living up to her's ideals. >> i think one of the questions i had for my students as part of the series there's a class associated with this. my 25 students asked questions, questions, they would do research on the speakers and many are concerned and interested about these body cameras. so they're asking are body cameras that an efficient solution? is there something else i should be done to hold police officers accountable? >> i think body cameras are a great part of solving issues we have with police abuse. the issue of accountability. with those body cameras you can rest assured that there is going to be a fight all the way through that process to the

point where we see how they are uniformly and consistently use the majority of police departments. many departments are accepting the idea that okay these body cameras are good idea, they provide a subjective record, at the same time they are trying to limit the public's access to the footage that the body camera produces. they want to hold it for 14 days, 21 days before, or 21 days before it is released. that is ridiculous. i don't think there's enough trust in this relationship to be comfortable with the idea of a police department having sole access and custody of a video footage of some potentially criminal act, for you guys to be the one who owns it. additionally, civilian review

and oversight should be in place. i have have not seen very many models nationally that i would describe as widely successful. usually because they lack the kind of authority and autonomy that would make them effective and role of oversight over a police department. the goto argument there for a police department is that civilians do not understand what we do. you don't understand our process, you don't know what it's like to make a split-second decision and on and on. don't ever discount common sense and the value of explanation. if you can tell me why you do what you did not come look at it i can still still make a pretty good decision about what side of right or wrong, and legal and illegal you may be on. >> on one hand over the question to our audience in just a minute. we had a pretty exciting to hear on campus, we have an president of the university as of today. >> i heard. >> i think they are doing other

events. today, in addition to all of the pomp and circumstance surrounding our new president, students at ud and other campuses had national collegiate black outstanding in solidarity with students of color. it was largely motivated by recent events that the university of missouri. you live in misery, what's happening on that campus? what's the history of race and racism on that campus and how can students at the university of delaware and across the country work to make it difference on their own campus. >> is a long history misery. when i first kicked off i'm 51 years old, there were people that i know who attended the university and they were all on our facebook fee talking about what happened when they were there and how it lined up exactly with what's going on

now. nothing has changed. everybody was collectively very proud of what the people at the university of missouri were able to do under these circumstances. we feel it has implications broadly, nationally because the issue isn't only at the university of missouri. there's missouri. there's a state university in the country that i think does not face the kind of issue. i think what students can do is what they're doing a ready, that's getting getting of all. when you see a beautiful of students of all backgrounds, white, hispanic, black, international students, international students, all coming together to say that we want to a world in a country where we are all equally valued and respected, by dignity, our lives, our futures, our futures, we are going to work together to create that in spite of this nation's history, in spite of

the powers in place that would fight against these young people to sustain the system that would put us into the position where in now. >> before i handed over to audience questions will get some microphone set up people can ask questions. do you have any strategies in mind that could kick off these changes to better change the justice system. she says you mention the way you could change these practices and police department, what are the practical things that could happen now. >> there too. i don't believe in being broad programs. one is on me, on us, those, those who are in the system. i'm a firm believer that a significant part of the change that we want to see has to come from inside the system. the people in the system have the most immediate opportunity to really force change. the second thing is to add that

effort to the already existing movement that's on the ground, coast-to-coast, to work together with folks everywhere. black lives matter, any other positive movement that is moving in the direction of change, positive change in positive reform, to work in coalition with those organizations. with that pressure coming from the outside in a critical mass of people inside the system willing to have the same commitment to change, i think we can see it happen. i think the climate in the country is referred here. it is not lost on anybody. it's not not lost on anybody that the demographics of the country are changing. i think, unfortunately, many of

equal treatment under the law and equal access to opportunity or the people who fight harder to give the kind of changes we want to see. there is no coincidence, none, it's not a coincidence that when barack obama was elected president, the cover came off. as soon as he was elected president, we saw what this nation was about, and pockets. we saw a growing number of vocal races who were being minute lee opposed to black progress in black leadership. we do not have to succumb to that given to that, because collectively, the end of the day we are all americans and